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On a score of 1-5 stars (5 being the best), how do you rate A Short History of Tractors in Ukrainian?
* Couldn't stand it!
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 0%  [ 0 ]
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9%
 9%  [ 2 ]
***
22%
 22%  [ 5 ]
****
31%
 31%  [ 7 ]
***** Loved it!
22%
 22%  [ 5 ]
Gave up on it (explain why below)
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Didn't read this one
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: April Book Choice - A Short History of Tractors in Ukrainian Reply with quote

A Short History of Tractors in Ukrainian by Marina Lewycka

Discuss here your thoughts on the book once you have finished reading it. Did you (not) enjoy it? Anything that struck you or maybe someone else could answer if you have a question? We're not really looking for in depth discussions... just tell us what you think of it!

For those who have finished it, please choose a star rating for the book based on how much you liked it. What did you think of it? Do you have any questions based on the book?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One I've already read!

I enjoyed this. It is very different and definitely aiming to be satirical/funny yet it gives glimpses of the reality of being an immigrant from Eastern Europe. It also partly tackles the difficult issue of "managing" your older parents and preventing them from being exploited whilst letting them lead their own lifes and make their own choices. And there really is some stuff in it about the history of tractors which contrasts starkly with the story but I found quite interesting in their own right.

Some lovely comic touches and descriptions. I would give this 8/10, a very original book.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have requested a few swaps for this, but no joy so far.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Won't be reading this one I'm afraid as it really doesn't appeal. Also due to time restrictions (and a massive TBR pile) I can probably only read one choice a month so Time Travelers Wife it is!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I've read this one too... no book group reads for me this month!

I enjoyed this, I gave it 4 stars as I didn't like it as much as others I've read. Oh and I bought her new book last week though called Two Caravans!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was really disappointed by it. The covers comments made it sound like it was going to be really funny but it really wasn't... overall story is funny but just didn't produce laugh out loud moments for me.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not reading this one, I don't think its for me and I haven't read a good review yet about it
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah and I forgot about the whole history of the tractor... just seemed like most of it was there to pad out the book as you could skip all of it and it wouldn't affect the story.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another book I have read recently and enjoyed however I skimmed over the tractors bit...boring!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was another book we read for our reading group (just last month, in fact). Having heard several people say it was dreadful and didn't live up to the hype I was a bit sceptical when I started it, but I did really enjoy it. It's not laugh-out-loud funny but i thought a lot of the characterisation was absolutely spot-on, and it trod a very fine line between tragedy and farce very well most of the time.

I particularly loved Valentina's dialogue and her wonderful compound insults, but I also enjoyed the portrayal of the tensions between the family members - so much of that is so true to life, the petty squabbles, rivalries and jealousies, the bitterness over the will, the irritation yet compassion with the aging father. I felt the book also made a lot of points about very serious subjects in a very subtle, underplayed way - the holocaust, of course, but also the integration problems faced by migrants from Eastern Europe, how those problems are different for the current generation of immigrants compared with the post-war generation, and the very fact of how your personal history and development can be affected by when you are born - as shown by the differences between the two sisters. In the book, just as in our lives, those topics are all there in the background to a greater or lesser degree, informing our own histories.

In fact, overall, I felt there was much more to this book than the cover blurb gave it credit for.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe how quickly I got through this - I think it helped that it has short sections and an easy going narrative style.

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I thought this book gave a slightly comic look at a serious topic. I have quite strong opinions on immigration so I was interested as to how the story would pan out. Some bits I found quite amusing - I thought Valentina's insults were inspirational (I think someone else mentioned this too).

The characters are very vivid and definately believable. This story for me really highlighted the misconceptions people have about other cultures - Valentina expects a life of wealth in the West while Nadia begins to understand Valentina's plight after she has heard about the general state of things in Ukraine. Its a really good advert for taking time to get all the information before coming to any conclusions.

The story also shows that we really are products of our environment and our upbringing. Vera and Nadia's behaviour towards each other initially appears to be nothing more than normal feuding sisters but it eventually unfolds as more than that - both were raised in totally different environments (one in wartime eastern Europe, one in peacetime Britain) so neither fully understands the others character. The fact that they are closer at the end is quite touching. And it looks like its happy endings all round, even for the bad guys!!



I gave this 3 stars, but I could probably be persuaded to give it 4. I liked how it ended and how it was quite funny throughout.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am about 3/4 way through this one, and I am really enjoying it.

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I didn't think I would like it (don't really know why) and I was sure I wouldn't laugh, but I have been randomly laughing out loud - luckily in the house. It is so farcial, I can almost see it as a comedy film before my eyes!

The relationship between the sisters is portrayed brilliantly. I have an older, bossier sister and I knew exactly what Nadia meant when she said she was returning to being a snotty nose four year old.

I also thought Nadia's worshipping of her mother's memory was very interesting. My Mum always says "It is what you do for people when they are alive that is important" , but I think how you respect somone's memory is important too.



I am not finished yet, so will add more when I finish the book.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finished - really enjoyed it! I wrote this review for dooyoo so thought I would post it here too!
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‘A Short History of Tractors in Ukranian’ is a cracking read: funny, touching and very realistic. It tells the story of Nadia’s, father, an 84 year old Ukranian immigrant who is getting married to a 36 year old busty blonde diva so that she can stay in the UK, and live ‘the good western life’. You can imagine the comedic episodes that transpire from that pairing! The one good thing to come out of this fiasco is the Nadia and her sister begins to reform their lost friendship, and Nadia learns about her parents and sister life before she was born. Ultimately the novel tells the story of Nadia’s parents’ past and their struggle to survive before reaching the UK, it makes the reader think about where they came from and the struggles their parents and grandparents faced just to survive. It also makes you think about getting old - what will it be like having your children making all your important decisions for you? Pretty demoralising I think!

This novel is a quick and memorable read.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read this a few weeks ago having come across it on RISI. I enjoyed it very much and although parts of it were amusing I did not find it as hilarious as the cover blurb said it would be - but then I have often found that to be the case! I thought it was a good insight into family life and even though my own family and upbringing is different from that portrayed in the book I found some echoes of my life and I'm sure other readers would too. I have given it 4 stars.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read this last year and I can barely remember it I wasn't swept away with the book in any sense, I only read it because it had been suggested by a trusted friend. I do remember finding some parts of it quite upsetting, maybe I don't have the right sense of humour required to appreciate a book like this.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read this last year and didn't really enjoy it. for some reason, it just didn't engage me and I couldn't get into it. Not my cup of tea.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just finished this and it was better than I expected. I found the characters quite funny and endearing and it was a nice quick read. 7/10 (gave it 4 stars)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going to 'spoiler' the whole lot, just in case...

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I had very high hopes for this book…but although it was a good read, it left me slightly disappointed. I think I had heard so much hype about it that the book just couldn’t live up to it. I would probably have enjoyed it more if I hadn’t heard anything about it beforehand.

It is quite amusing in parts, but not laugh-out-loud funny for me. I did enjoy the parts about the history of Nadia and Vera’s parents, and also how the past had affected Vera. In fact, the most interesting character for me was Vera. She sounded awful at first, but I had quite changed my opinion of her by the end, and her behaviour was understandable given what she had lived through in her childhood.

One of the most poignant parts was when the sisters were talking about when they were children and a rich woman had given their mother sixpence when they were on the bus. Nadia said that that was the moment that made her become a socialist, and Vera said that that was the moment that made her become the woman in the fur coat.

I didn’t like the parts about the tractors which the father had written – I found them quite boring, and quite un-necessary to the story.
I’ve given it 3 stars.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are my thoughts on the book:

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I thought I was going to race through this novel, but initially it took a while to get through as it wasn't as interesting as I thought it'd be. I thought oh no here we go with more sibling rivalry and stereotypical tarty women. But actually, once I got into it, I started to enjoy it more & more.

I liked how Nadia kept her mother's memory alive throughout the book, and I especially loved the descriptions of her garden legacy. That was the best part of the book for me; the wonderful food she made and stored; her make do & mend attitude, and the money she stashed away for the future. Made all the more touching when their personal story unfolded as the novel went on.

I understood the relationship between Nadia & Vera. I have 4 older sisters who love lecturing me. I'm 33 yet I'm still seen as the baby so they always talk over the top of me & consult my opinion last. No wonder I moved away!

The book is funny. Okay I didn't laugh out loud, but the written word rarely has this effect on me - instead I laugh inwardly. I think the humour would translate better via a TV or film adaptation. I often found Valentina's attitude towards the father appalling, and because of Nadia's descriptions of her frail father (contrasted with her descriptions of the strong Valentina), I felt sad for him & didn't find a lot of their relationship funny. Yet I understood why her father was drawn to Valentina - he seemed lonely and needed the drama in his life. To be involved in something.

As I became more used to the style (loved the way it was set out, wish more books were like this, I loathe long chapters!), the characters became more alive. Marina has a knack for picking out the little traits we all spot in someone, and I found these amusing. In the end I realised I could easily picture each of the characters and I bet if this is made into a film, we'll all say, 'that's exactly how I pictured Vera' etc.

I liked the tractors part and found the info really interesting! It gave insight into the father - he's not just a frail 80-something, but a very intelligent, innovative guy, a bit bonkers yes, but def smart. I hope if I reach 80-something I'll still be interested in academic topics. I loved how everyone settled down with plum wine to hear his latest instalment of the history of tractors. I enjoyed the descriptions of Nadia's parents when they were young and the hardships they endured. I'm glad Marina included these as people often forget old people haven't always been old (if you get my meaning!).

I found Marina's writing style very lyrical and enjoyed many descriptions of things in the book. She has a lovely imagination when describing things/situations etc. I thought the book was going to be a light, comical read, but there was much more to it than meets the eye. It's well structured too, with lots of repeating devices that link it all together & help us visualise characters & their traits (e.g., the button sewn on in black thread). I can understand why it was considered for the Orange Prize.

Oh nearly forgot to mention - I loved the dialogue and the pronunciation in brackets. E.g., the word 'duress' (pronounced 'dooh-ress' by Valentina). I could really imagine Valentina's deep sounding voice, with thundering rolling Rs. Delicious! Without the bits in brackets, I wouldn't have pictured it as richly.

Before I finish, there was something that made me laugh out loud...but I can't remember it!!



That's about it from me! Definitely the best bit for me were the descriptions of the mother's garden legacy. Beautiful, lyric descriptions of the food - made me hungry!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved it, I found I was laughing out loud reading it. In fact a few weeks ago I saw someone reading it in a cafe and don't know how she dared - I'd have really shown myself up reading it in public.

In contrast, I also found some parts really poignant.

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I've never been through a divorce, but I watched my parents and some parts of the book were so true to that, it was quite painful at times.




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