On a score of 1-5 stars (5 being the best), how do you rate Notes on a Scandal?
* Couldn't stand it!
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**
5%
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***
33%
[ 6 ]
****
38%
[ 7 ]
***** Loved it!
16%
[ 3 ]
Gave up on it (explain why below)
5%
[ 1 ]
Didn't read this one
0%
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: March Book Choice - NOTES ON A SCANDAL by Zoe Heller
NOTES ON A SCANDAL by Zoe Heller
Discuss here your thoughts on the book once you have finished reading it. Did you (not) enjoy it? Anything that struck you or maybe someone else could answer if you have a question? We're not really looking for in depth discussions... just tell us what you think of it!
For those who have finished it, please choose a star rating for the book based on how much you liked it. What did you think of it? Do you have any questions based on the book?
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject:
I've finished Notes on a Scandal. What a brilliant book, I couldn't put it down. I was totally hooked by the writing style and the characters. It was so easy to read and the characters were fascinating. I loved Barbara's cynical observations on everyone and everything. Whether they are accurate is another matter. But they are written so succinctly, I couldn't help but relish the writing style. (A breath of fresh air after Cloud Atlas) The story says so much about her. I would love to know more about Sheba and whether Barbara's account of Sheba's part in events is an accurate one.
I will post more about the characters. Would love to know what everyone else thought of Barbara and Sheba.
I gave it 5 stars and can't wait to see the film. _________________ Reading: Miss Smilla's Feeling for Snow by Peter Hoeg
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2007: 10
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject:
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It was as if Barbara was preying on Sheba. Her decision to befriend Sheba was so calculated and creepy. I can't say I've been desperate enough to see someone from afar and decide to be their friend in the way that Barbara does. Making friends is a gradual & natural process. I can understand her ex-friend, Jennifer, ending their friendship because Barbara was too intense. I don't blame her. There's no balance in Barbara's life, so when she makes a friend she puts all her energy into making it work. She's suffocating, smothering. I would love to know what Sheba really thought of her.
I loved Barbara's observations. They were quite funny at times.
I don't understand why Sheba found Connolly attractive. I thought he was pretty vile. The description of the shocking photos in Sheba's bag seemed at odds with her character. What was she thinking of? I thought perhaps she's a fantasist; living in cloud cuckoo land, not thinking of consequences. How she thought they could keep the relationship a secret is beyond me. She seemed flighty. When Barbara said Sheba caught her & Connolly's reflection in a window and was shocked that the middle-aged woman was her, I wondered if Connolly made her feel younger and she forgot she was middle-aged? Barbara said she was used to being the youngest in social situations. But as Sheba says, you can't always boil these things down to one simple explanation.
I think when Barbara spilled the beans about Sheba/Connolly to Bangs, she did so not to betray Sheba/get back at her, but to put Bangs down. She was peed off that Bangs had invited her on a date under false pretences and wanted one over him, and to get him back for the comment about her age (I'm sure you looked great when you were younger). She wanted to belittle him, like he had her.
Barbara's annoyed at people because they don't always put her first. She's such a lonely and bitter person, desperate for friendship that she jeopardised her career in order to keep Sheba's friendship. She did tell Sheba to stop the affair and didn't shop her, she remained loyal to her at the cost of her job. But then if she hadn't have set out to ensnare Sheba's friendship, she wouldn't have been so embroiled in the situation and probably wouldn't have known about it had she kept her distance.
I knew she would betray Sheba as she has too many hang ups.
_________________ Reading: Miss Smilla's Feeling for Snow by Peter Hoeg
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2008: 4
2007: 10
Just finished this tonight, I really enjoyed it and I actually felt sorry for Barbara... I will try and think of something good to say and post again later.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject:
Just reading Amazon reviews of Notes on a Scandal. I came across this:
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Also, I was left discontented by the lack of clue as to how Richard (Sheba's husband) transforms from the benevolent and contented, if complacent, mature man he is before the dam breaks to the ogre he manifests as afterwards.
Hmmm...is it not staring you in the face? Richard discovers his wife is carrying on with a minor. Surely that's enough reason for him to be a teeny weeny bit upset?
I think Richard's character is consistent throughout the novel. I don't think he turned into an ogre. He behaved exactly as I expected him to given the circumstances.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject:
They then go on to say this:
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As a Londoner I gained extra pleasure from accompanying the story on my street map, and on my mental social map, of London. But as a Londoner I also know someone a stone's throw from Connolly's house who could help Sheba sell her sculptures during the 'scandal', and it seems strange that no-one in the book thinks to suggest doing so to Sheba. This to me is another example of the book being not texturally dense enough.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject:
That's exactly what I thought Debbie. Thanks _________________ Reading: Miss Smilla's Feeling for Snow by Peter Hoeg
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject:
I have to disagree and say I wasn't too keen on this one, though not sure why. I read it last summer and I felt kinda forced into reading it because someone had literally forced the book into my hands, and I knew she expected me to discuss it with her in a few weeks - how annoying is it when people do that ! SO I wasn't in the best frame of mind when I read it. I just thought
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it was really a bit thin, too many things were not explained like why Sheba trusted Barbara so much, and why she was such a dope about the boy? I wasn't surprised to discover it was written by a journalist, because I felt that it kinda lacked flair.
maybe I just read it in the wrong frame of mind, but I just didn't get what all the fuss was about - I think the movie might actually be better than the book. Only 2 stars for me. _________________ Currently reading: The Human Stain by Philip Roth
'Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.'
I didn't really get gripped by this one-I gave it 3 stars as it was readable, but not something I'd want to read again. None of the characters were really appealing, and I wasn't that bothered about what happened to them-had the book been longer I may well have given up on it. _________________ Katey
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject:
I'm amazed at the varying reactions to the book. I found it really gripping. I think it was more a study of Barbara than any relations with a minor - that just gave a backdrop.
Need to see the film now. _________________ Reading: Miss Smilla's Feeling for Snow by Peter Hoeg
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2007: 10
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject:
Isn't it weird how we're giving mixed responses on this?! I gave it 4 stars because I thought it was a very clever novel.
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First of all, I don't think this was about a teacher having an affair with a student. I think it was an insight into the life and mind of Barbara, with the story about Sheba being a bit of an aside.
Clearly Barbara has social issues, possibly due to her strange mother. The fact that she sort of zoomed in on Sheba was a bit of a tell tale sign that she would be more than just an observer.
I actually did feel a bit sorry for Sheba - she's so depressed at the end that she just surrenders to Barbara. But she was stupid wasn't she? Clearly what she did was wrong and she knew it the whole time.
I also think it is important that we remember that Barbara says she doesn't think she could go back to being alone - so she's become dependent on Sheba almost as much as Sheba is on her.
I notice other people question the accuracy of Barbara's account. I did wonder if we got the complete truth, especially after Sheba's reaction. Although Sheba could just be in denial because of her feelings.
So, I had a lot of thoughts floating about in my head and this might not have been coherent _________________ Currently reading: Man in the Dark by Paul Auster
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:23 am Post subject:
Great review Nic.
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I thought exactly the same as you - that the book is a character study of Barbara, more than Sheba. Barbara unwittingly tells us more about herself, when the aim of her writing is to tell us about Sheba's affair. It's so clever that we think we're going to be told the ins and outs of Sheba & Connolly's affair. I can see people being disappointed by this, but like you, I thought it was clever.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:44 am Post subject:
ShropshireBlue wrote:
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It's so clever that we think we're going to be told the ins and outs of Sheba & Connolly's affair. I can see people being disappointed by this
Yeah, I have to admit I would like to have known what happened after the book ends -
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did Sheba go to prison ect. But it would probably have ruined the book's narrative style up to that point to do that. I've also realised that I felt quite sorry for Barbara, especially when Portia died - it must be awful to be so lonely, and Richard, I mean he wasn't really that nice but he didn't deserve his life to unravel like that.
Barbara's other friend Jenny (or whatever her name was) seems to have caught on to her weird side and got out while she still could. Clever girl.
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Where in the book does it state she's a lesbian? Part of me wondered if she could be, but that's conjecture.
I didn't think she blackmailed Sheba either. Have I naively not picked up on these things? I would say Barbara is manipulative.
What do you think?
I must admit I got that impression of Barbara and I think she did in not a too obvious way. _________________ Swap List: http://tinyurl.com/33pg6r
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I notice other people question the accuracy of Barbara's account. I did wonder if we got the complete truth, especially after Sheba's reaction. Although Sheba could just be in denial because of her feelings.
I completely agree, I wondered about this too nicnic.
I gave the book 3*s as it was a better read than I suspected but not one I'd immediately think to reccommend to someone. I also didn't really like the characters much and like Katey, I wasn't really bothered what happened to them!
Saying that, I'd still quite like to see the film. Did anyone else have Judi Dench narrating in their head the whole way through reading it? _________________ Swap List: http://tinyurl.com/33pg6r
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:20 am Post subject:
I didn't straightaway but about halfway through the book I looked at the photos from the film and thought Judi Dench as Barbara was spot on, so pictured her from then on _________________ Reading: Miss Smilla's Feeling for Snow by Peter Hoeg
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I read this quite a while ago so it's not fresh in my mind but I really loved it. I loved the fact that all of the characters were so disagreeable and unlikeable so it wasn't the stereotypical story of abuser and victim. Therefore we did have more scope to focus on the character of Barbara who I felt quite sorry for at times as she wasn't a complete monster but an unfortunate person lacking in social skills. I read it before there was any word of who was cast in the film but I thought the casting was excellent - will probably have to wait for the DVD but it's definitely one I'd like to see.
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