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On a scale of 1-5 stars, with 5 being the best, ho do you rate The Interpretation of Murder?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finished it today & gave it 4 stars (looks like I'm the only one).

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I agree that it was well written from the point of view of New York & was very descriptive & believable. I really enjoyed the psychobabble bits!! I tried reading some of Freud's work years ago & couldn't get my head around it- all this stuff about ego & superego was lost on me. I found the psychological analysis of Nora fascinating and I liked the way the author made it easy to understand in that it was written in layman terms. Although I think the author is telling us through this book & through Younger that he's not convinced by Freud's theory of the Oedipus complex. I'd love to know what the current thoughts are on this but don't know any psychologists. What I didn't like was the bits about Hamlet. They added nothing to the book & seeing as the last time I read Hamlet was over 20 years ago I found it annoying as I was constantly racking my brains to remember the play. The author's revelation about the "to be or not to be" soliloquy meant nothing to me & I'm not sure I still understand it. There were also too many characters & could have done without the red herring of Hawke. The ending I agree was a bit rushed & I guessed that Littlemore the detective wasn't killed in the car accident, but didn't figure the whole twist. All in all I thought it was a really good read. I hadn't read much hype about it, so I suppose that helped. I found the first few chapters very slow & it only picked up from the middle of the book onwards. It's definitely made me more curious about psychology





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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this quite entertaining. I didn’t find the switch from first to third person distracting – in fact I think it added to the story. If it were all in the first person we wouldn’t have been able to see the “whole story” and if it were all in the third person I think Younger’s feelings and thoughts would have been hard to read.

If I have to find fault with it I would say that the usage of real people and events was just a gimmick for what was in essence just a crime story. I also felt that some of the things that happened in the story just wouldn’t have occurred in reality: I doubt that any gentleman (doctor or not) would have engaged in a conversation about sexual practice at a dinner table where ladies were present.

I read the book without any preconceptions and, as I said earlier, I found it entertaining. 7/10
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoyed this one and gave it 4 stars.

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As a murder mystery it was a really good attempt and nearly every time I finished a chapter I wanted to read the next. Always a good sign for me on how much I like a book. Like most people I couldn't see the thing with including Freud etc. Apart from the fact that it was a good way to introduce Younger as Nora's analyst. As it was a new technique at the time I would imagine wealthy families would only go to the best i.e. Freud and Jung. The worst bit for me was the twist and turns at the end with the possible murderer changing all the time. Although the real twists on Nora being both women and Clara Banwell being behind everything was very good. I thought the female characters were all portrayed as the stronger characters and were nearly always in control of the male characters. I didn't find the Psychoanalysis and Hamlet references offputting and in fact the "to be or not to be" explanation I found quite interesting. Although it didn't really advance the plot.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gosh, I couldn't put this book down, it was such fun to read. I couldn't take it seriously; it was a fast paced, rip roaring read. It was like the author was trying to write the characters in the style of, I dunno, Henry James or someone roughly from that era. They were rather stereotypical, but I loved it. Not an intellectual book at all, just sheer good fun. It reminded me so much of House at Riverton: another fast paced, fun, light read.

Yet I thought it would be more serious, with Freud taking more of a central role. I felt a little that Freud had been used as a bait to lure people to buy the book, seeing as we don't see him that often.

I didn't think the ending rushed; it all needed to come to a head and build up the pace even further, and it did with lots of twists and turns. It was a satisfying ending. Again, all good fun. An imaginative story coming out of Freud once visiting America and never returning. I'd love to know what Freud would think to this concoction - I'm sure he'd laugh.

The Hamlet refs were annoying and weren't really needed, I felt. They didn't give more insight into Younger's character, other than he liked Shakespeare, and read like essays. They didn't fit into the story, and I couldn't wait for them to end so's I could get back to the plot. I would like to read Rubenfeld's thoughts on Shakespeare should he ever publish them, but not in one of his novels (unless he can include them seamlessly into one). Whenever a rambling Hamlet analysis came on, I turned off. Reminded me of when Grandad in Only Fools & Horses says, 'during the war...' and they all groan. I felt the refs told me more about the author and HIS passion for Shakespeare which we're told about on the inside front cover. I don't know if Rubenfeld was showing off as it didn't feel he was. I couldn't help but feel his passion for Shakespeare, rather than a desire to show off his knowledge in an arrogant I'm-above-you-low-brow-reader way. (Leave Margaret Drabble to do that).

I liked, however, the New York backdrop and the descriptions of all the new buildings being erected. It must have been an incredible period seeing skyscrapers being built. The novel's made me want to Google New York in the 1900s, and also Freud, Jung etc.

I can't for the life of me remember why Elsie Sigel was murdered. There were that many twists and turns to contend with, I've forgotten...already. Can anyone enlighten me?

I gave it 3.5-4 stars because it was such an entertaining, light, fun (despite the dark subject matter), fast-paced romp of a read by a very imaginative author. I'd recommend it to someone wanting a gripping, light read.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spoiler:

nicnic wrote:


I thought the psychoanalysts and Triumvirate storylines were a bit of an aside. They really only served as a way of bringing Stratham Younger into Nora Acton's life. They didn't really seem relevant. I found a lot of the psychology stuff a bit silly to be honest and often wished we could just get on with the whodunnit   I agree with you there Nic. I thought these subplots would be related to the murder mystery, but they weren't really and I felt a big build up for nothing in that respect. But it's a minor quibble.

I'm sure the real Triumvirate were nowhere near as villainous as the ones in this book but the opinions they express in the story are genuine an as a neuroscientist myself I understand why they held them. There would have been a danger at the time, when both neuroscience and psychology were relatively young disciplines, of one trampling over the other. I found the Triumvirate subplot totally plausible for the reasons you've explained here.

And I'd be really interested to know if Carl Jung was really so out of his tree (to use the scientific term   ) in real life??? - Yep I'm off to Google him now  

I loved the hidden passageway bits - it made it seem like a good old-fashioned murder mystery to me. I confess I didn't expect the first murder to be a hoax or that Clara Banwell was the real instigator of it all. Although George Banwell's going along with it just marks him as another baddie. Harry Thaw was a red herring in the end. I'm surprised that Nora got off since she was party to the whole thing. I had very little sympathy for her - her parents were admittedly vile so she earns points there. I didn't suss out any of the twists either! There seemed to be so many of them. I loved all that.


I also agree with you about the Oedipal/Hamlet theories/mini-essays running throughout the novel. Whenever one came on, I thought, here we go again. I did find them both fascinating, esp the Shakespearian refs being a fan of the Bard myself, but as Willie said, they didn't advance the plot and it was the plot that interested me most. I had a feeling Nora fancied Clara, or thought she did. Loved the description of the caisson too, but thought Littlemore & Younger's escape from it a little far fetched. Would they really have survived that? Oh what the heck, it was funny to read and it's another thing to Google  


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a pic of the characters from the book in front of the Clark University: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imag...d_Jung_in_front_of_Clark_1909.jpg

I can't look at Ernest Jones without thinking of what was said about him in the book!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I finally finished this book today! It has taken me about 7 weeks to read it!!! I just don't seem to have any time for reading at the moment.

Anyway... overall I enjoyed this book and gave it 4 stars. It was easy for me to pick up, read a few chapters and put down again, so I could dip in and out. Possibly as a result of this I didn't guess the ending, so was surprised and pleased about the conclusions.

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I found the Hamlet references very boring and ended up skipping through those, especuially when Younger solved the "to be or not to be" mystery. It didn't really help me with the story at all.

I agree that many of the female characters were a bit two dimensional, and would have liked to know a bit more about them. Especially Clara Banwell.

I found the switches from 1st person to 3rd person a bit confusing at times and had to reread passages to work out where I was in the story.

The section with Younger and Littlemore in the caisson was excellent, I found myself holding my breath throughout!

All in all I enjoyed the story and although Freud wasn't the central character perhaps I thought he would be, there was enough of the psycoanalysis to keep me interested, and I loved the who-dunnit aspect of the story.



Thanks Melissa for your patience with me on this one. You'd better make sure you read books first before lending them to me at the moment!!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heathera wrote:
Well I finally finished this book today! It has taken me about 7 weeks to read it!!! I just don't seem to have any time for reading at the moment.

Anyway... overall I enjoyed this book and gave it 4 stars. It was easy for me to pick up, read a few chapters and put down again, so I could dip in and out. Possibly as a result of this I didn't guess the ending, so was surprised and pleased about the conclusions.

Spoiler:

I found the Hamlet references very boring and ended up skipping through those, especuially when Younger solved the "to be or not to be" mystery. It didn't really help me with the story at all.

I agree that many of the female characters were a bit two dimensional, and would have liked to know a bit more about them. Especially Clara Banwell.

I found the switches from 1st person to 3rd person a bit confusing at times and had to reread passages to work out where I was in the story.

The section with Younger and Littlemore in the caisson was excellent, I found myself holding my breath throughout!

All in all I enjoyed the story and although Freud wasn't the central character perhaps I thought he would be, there was enough of the psycoanalysis to keep me interested, and I loved the who-dunnit aspect of the story.



Thanks Melissa for your patience with me on this one. You'd better make sure you read books first before lending them to me at the moment!!

No worries hun, I'll get it from you in the next couple of days and make a start on it. Glad you enjoyed it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried to read this one but couldn't get into it all I'm afraid!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I found it hard going in places (Freud's theories for one), on the whole I really enjoyed this book. While the psychoanalysis sections were an interesting read, to be honest I was more interested in the who dunnit side of the story. Also there were one too many characters introduced for my liking, some barely introduced and it felt like unnecessary padding. Lisa x


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