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On a score of 1-5 stars (5 being the best), how do you rate We Need To Talk About Kevin?
* Couldn't stand it!
9%
 9%  [ 2 ]
**
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
***
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
****
9%
 9%  [ 2 ]
***** Loved it!
50%
 50%  [ 11 ]
Gave up on it (explain why below)
9%
 9%  [ 2 ]
Didn't read this one
9%
 9%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 22

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:25 am    Post subject: Oct/Nov Book Choice - WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT KEVIN Reply with quote

We need to talk about Kevin by Lionel Shriver

Discuss here your thoughts on the book once you have finished reading it. Did you (not) enjoy it? Anything that struck you or maybe someone else could answer if you have a question?

For those who have finished it, please choose a star rating for the book based on how much you liked it. What did you think of it? Do you have any questions based on the book?

If you do have something to post that may include plot that could ruin it for others please remember to use the spoiler function (Details: http://risibookclub.myfreeforum.org/ftopic12.php )

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think something has gone a bit wrong with the voting system. I don't know if it is only on my computer but when I opened both We Need to Talk about Kevin and Fingersmith it didn't ask me to vote. I just get to see the results. Is it just my problem or is it happening to others?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore last post. When I went back and tried again the voting buttons appeared. Must have been a glich with my computer.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Voted loved it, although this is not the term I would use for such a thought provoking and rather chilling book. It reinforced all the fears I could have about ever wanting children - would I bond with them, would I resent the effect on my career, would I cope with the lcak of personal time. I always thought these were selfish thoughts and I was glad to see not just my own as the mother in the book shared them. It throws the whole nature v nurture debate onto the forum, as Celia was the exact opposite to Kevin, very sweet and naive and also the thoguth that some people are just born evil! The other thought I can't stop discussing in my head (yes I do hold discussions with myself!!!) is about Celia's eye - won't go into too much detail but did he do it or was he trying to help her? You can't help but immediately think he did it because of everything that he did in the past.



More to say on this book but will add later
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read this a few months ago so can contribute now:

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I see Kevin as a very normal kid who wants affection/attention from his mum but doesn'treceive it, so in the end accepts any kind of attention from her, whether good or bad. Did Eva do her best to raise him considering she didn't really want a child at all? I'm not sure. She didn't appear to love him or show any love towards him. She seemed to resent him. I could imagine any displays of affection towards him were awkward. She can see that Kevin's behaviour is all a front - he deliberately winds her up because then she reacts to him, gives him attention. He craves contact with Eva - physical, emotional etc., which is why he's awkward with potty training, wearing clothes too small - iit annoys his mum but also keeps her in contact with him. It's as if he knows if he grows up and no longer depends on her for nappy changes, right-size clothes, he'll lose her. That's why he gives in when he's ill - we see the real Kevin. He's too weak to keep up the front and is forced to relax and be himself. It's sad
as we get to see how their relationship could be if it weren't so strained.

Eva thinks Kevin rejected her from day one and is deliberately and constantly against her; she doesn't see a child desperate for its mother's love and approval. It's like he constantly plays up so Eva will be reminded of his presence. He's also seeking her approval, wants her to be proud of him, but as he knows she won't be impressed by usual/normal achievements, he goes to the extreme. He's got himself into a pattern where he thrives on receiving negative attention from Eva - in the way most kids thrive on praise. He also gets her to himself by eliminating competition (his father and sister). Again maintaining contact with her by having one over her all the time. Compromising her.

Eva is the ultimate career woman; always off on business trips, so she and Franklin spend little time together before having a family. I can understand she feels tied down as she's so used to jetting off to exciting places. I can't begin to imagine how she must have felt as a full-time mum in comparison, but she was her own boss so could return to her career if she wanted.



That's it on the Kevin front from me for now...will no doubt find loads more to say about this amazing book. (Amazing in that you can't help but want to discuss it).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The other thought I can't stop discussing in my head (yes I do hold discussions with myself!!!) is about Celia's eye - won't go into too much detail but did he do it or was he trying to help her? You can't help but immediately think he did it because of everything that he did in the past.


I had this discussion, with myself and others, too Saucy. I've come to the conclusion Eva is such an unreliable narrator, it's difficult to decide if Kevin was responsible for Celia's eye or not. I wonder how Eva would have written about Kevin's upbringing had he NOT committed Thursday. I can't help but think Eva's looking for clues to her son's evil nature by raking through the past - looking for clues to let herself off the hook?? Maybe she wouldn't have looked at the eye incident as she did in the book if Kevin hadn't done what he did - it was cued for us to immediately suspect Kevin. As were most of things he did that she described.

The book showed as well that Eva was sometimes wrong in her judgement of Kevin.

I love that we'll never know the story from Franklin's, Celia's and Kevin's viewpoint. So many open ends. Would love to hear events retold by Kevin. Would be so interesting.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Blueflower - sometimes you have to 'log in twice' on these .php forums. I have no idea why - sometimes it happens to me - you think you are logged in and you are not.
And if your not logged in you don't see the buttons - just the results.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of the best books of it's kind I have ever read.

I heard about it on Radio 4 last year and to be honest I thought it was a true story unitil I was half way through & did some research on the net.
It did make me read all about cases like this though - I'm not giving it away here by mentioning them!

Has anyone read any of her other books? - for me they would have to be Completely Brilliant to compare to this riveting story.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is anyone reading this book at the moment? How are you finding it?

Would love to hear more views on the book. I'll post more of mine soon
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just waiting on mine arriving!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am intending to start it this weekend, so I will post my thoughts next week.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started reading this one a couple of months ago and just couldn't get into it... I was going to give it another try but ended up swapping it in the end!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ooh why couldn't you get into Miss M? Was it because of the writing style?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it might have been, I just couldn't get to grips with the story line... I think I may not have been in the right frame of mind to carry on like I do with other books before I give up.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I originally read a library copy of Kevin but I was so impressed with it that I had to buy my own copy. I must post my thoughts when I get time to think. All I can say at the moment is that for a woman who hasn't actually had any children and doesn't intend to now, Lionel Shriver, spookily got a lot of the worries of the older mother to be right on the target. For a book that she herself says she didn't do a lot of research for, it's amazing. Will post more later - bet you can't wait.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a question for you:

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Didn't you think the absence of psychiatrists in Kevin's upbringing was a bit bizarre? Especially if he was such a troublesome child?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another question:
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...about the fake letter Kevin sent to the teacher and kids. Surely the teacher would have talked to a colleague about it, or asked to see the principal, just to confirm details?? Then it would have been exposed as fake. I just don't believe a teacher would take such a letter at face value and not discuss it privately with the person who (alledgedly) sent it. I didn't find the idea convincing.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need to start the book beofre I can answer the pol...lol, will start it today

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShropshireBlue wrote:
Got a question for you:

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Didn't you think the absence of psychiatrists in Kevin's upbringing was a bit bizarre? Especially if he was such a troublesome child?



A lot of people have high misconceptions about psychiatry and would not want their kids to have anything to do with headshrinkers even though they might be troublesome....
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparkymarky wrote:
ShropshireBlue wrote:
Got a question for you:

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Didn't you think the absence of psychiatrists in Kevin's upbringing was a bit bizarre? Especially if he was such a troublesome child?



A lot of people have high misconceptions about psychiatry and would not want their kids to have anything to do with headshrinkers even though they might be troublesome....


I would agree with Sparky, also, if it's anything like the NHS here, if you don't speak up and ask loud and clear for help, repeatedly, a health visitor could easily miss any problems with you or your child. My health visitor would ask the general question " is everything ok?" and only afterwards, when I checked the little medical red book, would I notice that she'd completed a full physical assessment of my child without doing anything and had ticked all the boxes??? Very thorough, not.

In response to the letter thing, Glynis, I must go and check my copy or do a bit of skim reading as I don't recall that bit in great detail.


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