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On a score of 1-5 stars (5 being the best), how do you rate Perfume?
* Couldn't stand it!
0%
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7%
 7%  [ 1 ]
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7%
 7%  [ 1 ]
****
30%
 30%  [ 4 ]
***** Loved it!
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Gave up on it (explain why below)
7%
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Didn't read this one
30%
 30%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: February Book Choice - PERFUME by Patrick Suskind Reply with quote

PERFUME by Patrick Suskind

Discuss here your thoughts on the book once you have finished reading it. Did you (not) enjoy it? Anything that struck you or maybe someone else could answer if you have a question? We're not really looking for in depth discussions... just tell us what you think of it!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woo hoo it's February and I can post my thoughts on Perfume as I read it at Christmas. Will start discussions tomorrow

Fantastic novel - I gave it 5 stars and still haven't seen it at the cinema.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm enjoying this although I wouldn't say it was a keeper... I feel the book goes off at tangents sometimes and I forget who I'm reading about. Have another 60 pages or so to go so will let you know how I like the ending...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't love this but I gave it 4 stars because I did enjoy it and didn't feel like giving up like other books I've read. I really enjoyed the ending, and I certainly didn't see what was going to happen... I think maybe I'd read this again at some point, just to go over the bits I felt went off on a tangent.

Overall a quick read and enjoyable.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I'm soooo hard to please. I didn't like it, which is disappointing because to begin with I thought it was good.
It was all going so well - I was enjoying the writing style and I thought it was a great idea for a novel but...

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7 years in a cave? Please. I don't believe it, at least not from the description Suskind gives us. It was all downhill from there I'm afraid. I ended up feeling slightly queasy, it seemed a bit grotesque in places - especially the end. Where did that come from? I just got the impression that Suskind couldn't think of another way for Grenouille to go.

To back track slightly...the first murder is unexpected (unless you know in advance what the story is about) so so far so good. But all the others happen in a neat little cluster almost at the end of the book. It felt rushed, but then maybe that was the point.

Anyway, sorry to have rambled on. I gave it 2 stars because although I didn't like how the plot unfolded I thought the emphasis on smell gave an interesting narrative style.



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read Perfume at Christmas and thoroughly enjoyed it. I read a lot of it on our way to Shropshire - we were stuck in motorway traffic for 4 hours I was drawn into the story from the first page; I loved the sensory, evocative language in the opening paragraphs.

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I found it an amusing and witty read. Suskind satirizes the characters of Gimal, Baldini, the Marquis de la Taillaide-Espinasse and their subsequent deaths.

The characters all use Grenouille in order to profit from him, and he in turn learns thing from them - he weedles his way into their businesses in order to survive in a ruthless world, have a roof over his head, food etc.

I thought it amusing that a drunk Gimal takes a wrong turn and walks into the quay, and the way Suskind describes Gimal's body floating under Baldini's house just as Grenouille was making his way to bed. Then when Grenouille left Baldini's perfumery, the place collapsed into the river. It made me smile - I couldn't help but think it collapsed because it was loaded down with perfume products. I loved the imagery of the cloud of perfume over the spot where Baldini's was. I'd like to see how all this was done in the film - the bridge still standing and a gap where Baldini's was. I can just picture it.

On a deeper level, each character's demise is significant. Grenouille is described as a mite, lying dormant until an animal passes by that he can latch onto. Grenouille latches onto these characters and after he bleeds them dry, they collapse and die. And Grenouille moves on and is stronger after feeding on them.

He is a repellent character and I kind of admire his fearlessness of the dark. I've read in online reviews that he can be likened to Jesus when he spent 7 years in the mountains, but I didn't see the connection myself!! He's not like Jesus at all. The way he lived in that cave reminded me very much of a vampire - another symbol of a bloodsucking creature.

Grenouille is a predatory creature. He is outside of the laws of society. He is base and uncivilised. He lives to survive with no consideration to the consequences of his actions. He will go out of his way to obtain what he wants. I know the characters in the book see him as a pathetic person, but we know more about him. He's a really scary individual, a psychopath. He has to satisfy an inner primal urge. That is more important to him than using his amazing sense of smell & genius as a perfumer to make his fortune in the world and therefore be admired by people. But of course in his world, you're only loved and admired if you emit a certain scent. I liked this idea. (Earlier in the novel I imagined a modern day Grenouille but realised the idea of having a certain scent that makes people love you wouldn't work in a modern setting - why would people adore the Beatles, for e.g. when they can't unwittingly smell their scent through a TV screen ).

I was aware of smells around me as I was reading the book. Did anyone smell the crook of their elbow?



An excellent & multi-layered novel; I couldn't put it down. It flowed. I'm a sucker for novels written in the distant past or about it. I loved the descriptions of grotty 18th century Paris. I gave it 5 stars.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have just read your thoughts on Perfume, Nicnic:

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To back track slightly...the first murder is unexpected (unless you know in advance what the story is about) so so far so good. But all the others happen in a neat little cluster almost at the end of the book. It felt rushed, but then maybe that was the point.  


I didn't think the first murder was unexpected. I did wonder whether Grenouille was going to commit more murders as the book progressed and nothing of the sort happened. I thought maybe he just commits one murder. But when he decided to leave life in the mountains and live among people again, I knew Suskind was building up to something.

I believe Suskind knew where he was going with the story. I didn't think it unbelievable that a sociopath like Grenouille would live in a cave for 7 years. I saw him as an animal more than a civilised human being. I'm still trying to work out if Suskind wants us to read the novel as an allegory. I feel I'm missing something. Or maybe I'm not.

Anyway, the story really worked for me and I found it convincing. I loved the notion of people being drawn to people because of their smell. In that sense, I did see the novel as almost a fantasy one, if that makes sense!

I thought the ending was quite fitting.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grenouille has to be one of literature's most scariest characters. I imagine if I were to cross paths with him and the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end!

I certainly wouldn't invite him to a literary dinner party! I'd be worried in case I had that certain je ne sais quois, if you get my meaning
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:29 am    Post subject: Perfume - an allegory? Reply with quote

Is perfume...

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an allegory about human nature, the desperate need to be loved,
?

Spoiler:

I think this is at the core of the novel. Is Grenouille such a macabre person because he's never been loved? Once he works out that he can get away with murder and that certain people emit a scent that makes people love them, he chooses to attempt to bottle the scent so that he can be loved and revered by many. I suppose the desire to do so is a combination of being turned on by the person's scent (not the kill; I don't think he would kill if it was socially acceptable to approach someone and start sniffing them!!) and needing to be loved.

Perhaps Grenouille is disappointed in the experience of having hundreds of people adore him because he knows they don't really adore him. It's all a masquerade. So he gets no satisfaction from the love as it's not genuinely about him. It could happen to anyone if they possessed his secret perfume. I could imagine the experience left him feeling empty especially as everyone ended up physically loving each other and not him!

Once again, Grenouille bled them dry (they were ashamed post-orgy) in order to survive (his execution), but he didn't see any point in going on as the perfume didn't satisfy his need to be loved. A sad tale if looked at from this angle.

That's my take on it all anyway!



And finally...
Spoiler:

I don't see Grenouille as evil. He doesn't get a kick out of killing women. I'm sure I remember reading that he hated the killing bit. He simply wants what he needs and doesn't think about what effect his actions have on his victims' loved ones. He's like a wild, untamed animal in that respect.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with SB and to some extent with Nicnic. I think SB as done a great job with her review and I can’t add much.

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I did agree with Nicnic on two points. I thought the first murder was unexpected and a bit of a shock, after all he was still a boy at that point. I also thought the seven years in a cave was a bit far fetched. But the fact that he emerged after seven years in a similar state of mind he had at the start, when any normal man would be completely mad, makes a point about Grenouille. He seemed to be a man with no soul as well as no odour. He was totally unfeeling both mentally and physically – he could with stand torture and ill treatment.

The demise of Genouille was quite a shock and a bit gruesome but near the end of the book he did seem know that he was different and would never be like other men with or without an odour. There had been attempts on his life when he was a child so maybe he realized that his death would have to be dramatic and final or he may have survived and he didn’t want that.

Genouille was an unpleasant character who had about the worse upbringing any child could have, but I think he would have turned out the same whatever his start in life had been. But I found I could't hate him for what he did and in fact did have a certain amount of sympathy for him.



I gave this four stars. I enjoyed it but won’t read it again. I may watch the film when it comes up for rental just to see how the film makers handle some of the scenes in the book.

I am also glad that I live in 21st England for all its faults and not in 18th century Paris!


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, I agree with everything you've said Blueflower. Looking forward to catching it on DVD.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent reviews & I find it hard to add much more!! I gave the book 4 stars as I lost interest in the middle when he was in the cave & was worried that the rest of the book would be like that. I loved the beginning & the end. The hold idea of the world being "seen " thru scent is a fantastic idea & I wished I could have a scratchcard to sniff all the individual scents!! He was definitely a psychopath & a souless character for me but at times I felt sorry for him he was truly unloved & couldn't relate to the real world. I thought the time he spent in the cave realistic & possible for such a person he actually reminded me a bit of Gollum from Lord of the Rings then!!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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he actually reminded me a bit of Gollum from Lord of the Rings then!!


What a great comparison Amarie! He is exactly like Gollum. When you put it like that, maybe Suskind was showing how Grenouille had degenerated into a beast. Similar to how Gollum turns into a swamp thing, all twisted and bad
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read this a long time ago so I don't recall a lot of the finer detail but I remember enjoying it immensely - Gollum is a great analogy! I would love to see the film - haven't heard anyone raving about it?? if only to remind me of the book. I didn't realise until after I'd finished it that it was originally written in German but it was an excellent translation - and certainly didn't feel awkward to read. How did anyone else feel, as sometimes novels in translation can be a bit disjointed?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My ex downloaded the film for me last week and I watched the first half on Thursday afternoon. It was good and it followed the book pretty well... will probably watch the second half at some point this week!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this was superbly translated. I sometimes find translations awkward or plain boring, but Perfume was really well done.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Guys

Totally forgot to post my review of this! I read this last summer and this is what I wrote in my journal (kinda just echos what every1 else has said)

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I loved this book; such a great idea really focusing on a neglected sense - smell. The characters were brilliant - life-like and varied. The plot was fab, and the language too. I really loved the setting - I love reading about Paris. I felt like the streets around the Seine were being conjured up before my eyes. The ending was really good and kept me guessing until the end, but was a very fitting ending. I often don't enjoy books in translation eg. The Alchemist and I am not Scared as I think the language becomes oversimplified, but not so with this book. Overall a great read and highly recommended.



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phew! Thank goodness ye all didn't think I was mad comparing him to Gollum. I definitely don't think it suffered in the translation from german although I read that it was a translation before reading the book. Such an interesting novel. Has he wriiten any others that have been translated???
My german's very limited !!
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry just picked this up and didn't enjoy at all which is one reason why gave up on it-have read a couple of dissappointing books before this so was feeling bit low on patience but thought the beginning with the priest and the lead character as a baby was too much like a fairytale and this put me right off...thought there was too much about his nose and how he seemed to have some kind of supernatural like smelling ability evenb as a newborn for me that decided didn't wanmt to waste my time with something that i wouldn't overly enjoy...sorry guys-was a no-no for me i'm afraid......maybe i will try again when i'm in a more open-minded mood but have too much else to read aty mo to waste time on this...would still love to see the film though....this might be an easier medium for me to "get" the storyline
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay! Finished Perfume

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Seriously after Part 1 I said 'wow' out loud. The lab collapsing was just a strange picture in my head - something more out a cartoon. I thought the first murder was a bit unexpected and like it was just glossed over then there was nothing else for ages while he did live in the cave. Part 2 in the book did seem a bit far fetched - I know I couldn't survive like that - especially in winter.

WTF happened at the end... orgies from this amazing perfume he created and then he gets eaten... like OMG and ewwwwwwww.

I did 'enjoy' it but wow.



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