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On a score of 1-5 stars (5 being the best), how do you rate The Winter Queen
* Couldn't stand it!
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
**
9%
 9%  [ 1 ]
***
27%
 27%  [ 3 ]
****
18%
 18%  [ 2 ]
***** Loved it!
18%
 18%  [ 2 ]
Gave up on it (explain why below)
9%
 9%  [ 1 ]
Didn't read this one
18%
 18%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 11

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: Sept/Oct Book Choice - THE WINTER QUEEN Reply with quote

The Winter Queen by Boris Akunin

Discuss here your thoughts on the book once you have finished reading it. Did you (not) enjoy it? Anything that struck you or maybe someone else could answer if you have a question?

For those who have finished it, please choose a star rating for the book based on how much you liked it. What did you think of it? Do you have any questions based on the book?

If you do have something to post that may include plot that could ruin it for others please remember to use the spoiler function (Details: http://risibookclub.myfreeforum.org/ftopic12.php )

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loved it and just finished Murder on the Leviathan - the second in the series, which was even better.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:43 pm    Post subject: The Winter Queen Reply with quote

Well. I don't get what all the fuss was about to be honest.

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As far as detective stories go its ok but from the reviews I was expecting something a bit more challenging - how many of you had figured it out well before Erast?

The plot was ok but I found it irritating that the villains were so obvious, even the ones who were disguised as good guys. I think the story was a little fantastical in places and I found Erast Fandorin to be a very annoying character. He's disturbingly naive and in some instances just plain stupid.

However, it was redeemed slightly by an absolutely blinding, out of the blue ending. It was this that upped the star rating in my opinion - I know, I have issues

Its very clever of Akunin to end the story like this as (I have to confess) it does make you curious about what happens next. However, in spite of this I don't think I'll be reading any more of these stories.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I started out wanting to enjoy this and at first I did but by the end I felt disappointed and found myself skim-reading to get to the conclusion-heres why...


Spoiler:

To begin with I quite liked Fandorian and started this book with high exectations because in part it was entirely diffrent to books I have previously read.I found it very boys-own-adventure in style and loved the pastiche of earlier times of which I had little previous knowledge-for example I was ignorant of the fact that Russia untill I think 1929 used a diffrent calender system.
Unfortunately it began to lose some of its appeal about half to three-quarters through the novel as the plot became ever more complicated and contrived.I began to be able to see twists before they arrived(I knew fandorians new boss would prove to be a wrong 'un) and found myself increasingly getting bored throughout hence the skim-reading which I try to avoid unless a novel becomes too labourious.
I found the marriage at the end a little sudden also,seeing as the pair had only exchanged words a few times and by the end I too thought Fandorian a little too naive and his increasing number of lucky escapes a bit too lucky.I kinda guessed as well that his new wife would die(didn't Ian Fleming use this to better effect in James Bond?)and found myself screaming at the book "bomb,bomb you cosy dunt-for chrissakes throw it out the fracking window!!!!!"

In my review on dooyou,someone commented that they had read the next two in the series and that this was the better entry,the third novel being truly dire apparently,well I can safely say that after my high expectations of this novel were crudely dashed to the rocks below,I will definetly give the rest of the series a miss which is a shame because I felt it had the potential to be sooo much better.

Not for a long time has a book destroyed my expectations so rapidly after such a build up.I really thought this was going to be better.....never mind only two days of my life wasted-thank god I read books so quickly.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparkymarky wrote:


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found myself screaming at the book "bomb,bomb you cosy dunt-for chrissakes throw it out the fracking window!!!!!"



Exactly my feelings
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid I wasn't to impressed with Mr Fandorin

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Just how lucky can one person get? To have escaped one of the attempts on his life was unlikely but to have escaped a suicide attempt after a bet with the Count, a stabbing, drowning, a couple of shootings and a bomb!!! The ending was unexcepted and I did go back and read the last page again becasue I thought I read it wrong first time. I actual thought he had realized the parcel was a bomb but being more implusive than sensible he rushed out to try a capture the man who had brought it instead of making sure his new wife was safely out of the room. He seems to bumble through the case and most of the time just stumbled on the villains by good luck. But to be fair I think it was meant to be a ‘tongue in cheek’ novel and not meant to be taken as a serious crime novel, and if that is the case it did succeed to some extent. (If I’m wrong I have just upset the author). I bought the 2nd book a while ago but wanted to read this first but I am now unsure about reading Book 2.



I will start the Colour Purple soon but need to make some head way with War and Peace first.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not reading The Winter Queen this month. Read Akunin's first Sister Pelagia mystery and thought
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that it was pretty much tongue-in-cheek. I enjoyed reading it for the sake of reading. It was well written and quite amusing and I liked Sister Pelagia's character. It reminded me of Miss Marple and Cluedo (characters brought together at high society soirees, shock outbursts, oohs and aahs, posh frocks and lead piping). You didn't read it to find out who killed who - it was just an enjoyable ride/read. It didn't leave me wanting more though as I wished Akunin had featured more of Sister Pelagia in the book - she was great. I suppose he was setting everything up for the series.

Anyway, was interested to read everyone's posts on The Winter Queen. I wouldn't mind reading it to check out the ending.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've added a couple more options if anyone gave up half way through or decided not to read this one just to get an idea of how many did what.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just couldn't get into this - I found it all pretty dull - I get the impression it's meant to be funny in parts but I just couldn't summon up any mirth! Not my cup of tea - I guess we usually choose what we will read based on what we have liked in the past so this was bound to happen to me sooner or later in a reading group situation but I'm more annoyed that I wasted 4 good reading nights getting as far as I did. I'm much happier now that I've abandoned ship and started something else - see currently reading. I didn't spoiler any of this as I don't think I've revealed any of the exciting plot??
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt I'll get to read this this month so once I do get round to it I will post my thoughts, unless someone is desperate for it and want to swap with me?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh I finished it.

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Really didn't think I'd enjoy the book and did find it slow to get into but was reading it last night and it did pick up the pace and come a little more of a crime novel to the point where I was actually enjoying it - just had to get used to it!

I agree that the ending was unexpected... especially the jump from one minute getting blow up to the next getting married and then again blown up and yup, my thoughts are the same as Sparkys. I'd thought he'd have known it was a bomb if he heard the countdown! You don't just leave it in the room - you chuck it into the carriage of the one who send it

I guessed early on who was involved but lots of loose ends were left - the Chiefs surprise at seeing Fandorin was a bit too obvious. I'd have liked Grushin to be involved somewhere instead of getting kicked out of it so early on - thought Fandorin may have confided in him somewhere along it. And where are Zurov and Amalia?



If I get Leviathan for free (book swap) then I'll read it but no plans to buy it... like I did with the Winter Queen.

Question... maybe something I missed or misunderstood but did they not say that Russian time was way ahead of London etc. I thought there was about a weeks difference? Why so much?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i looked this up and untill the early 1900's they were on a diffrent calender -only changed to the gregorian calender at a much later date...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparkymarky wrote:
i looked this up and untill the early 1900's they were on a diffrent calender -only changed to the gregorian calender at a much later date...


Thanks Sparky!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

s'okay-it bugged me too how it could be one date here and nother in russia so had to take a look-see to satisfy my curiosity!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read The Winter Queen a couple of years ago, and thought it was a great 'romp'.
It has a flavour of the more exotic Sherlock Holmes adventures ( A Scandal in Bohemia , The Blue Carbuncle) crossed with something from The Boys' Own Paper, as the hero, Fandorin hurtles from one skin-of-the-teeth escape to the next.

Maybe some experience of Russian/Eastern European writing would be a help, preparing the reader for the difference in humour?

Anyway, I thought it was good fun...except for the ending, which was horrid!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Started this today, as I trashed my copy of Cold Comfort Farm
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finished reading this last night.

I thought it was okay, but not great.

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Part of my dislike(?) of it was what exactly was Azazel up to ? I wish they had had a more focussed threat like assasinating a president etc. And once he was double-crossed by someone he trusted I was instantly suspicious of all the other characters, good or bad.



I disagree with the comments about Fandorin
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being almost indestructable eg. surviving bombings, drownings etc.  I think this was covered in the book when Brilling tells a story about another man who avoids injury in battle- has a 'halo' around him.



I found the dashing between one location and the next a bit pointless? London> Moscow> St Petersburg- there are better ways to inject pace into a novel ?  Maybe it'd make a better film, where you accept cutting from one location to the next.

I note
Azazel *the original Russian title
was not an immediate success when it was published in 1998, selling only six thousand copies- according to Wikipedia it was only the fifth one in the series that became a best-seller and thus interest in the earlier books took off.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes it into the "around the world in 80 sleuths" list

39. Moscow

It's strange that there's no contemporary crime fiction coming out of Putin's Russia, but Boris Akunin makes up for that with his intricate, allusive Erast Fandorin books, set at the turn of the last century.

Read 'The Winter Queen' (Phoenix)
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts...e-world-in-80-sleuths-873660.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finished reading The Woman in White,
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which also- towards the end- features a shadowy International organisation, 'The Brotherhood', which goes about assassinating former treacherous members...





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